MoinMoin: MoinMoinChat/Logs/moin-dev/2013-04-26

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  21 2013-04-26T09:25:42  <ThomasWaldmann> moin
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  24 2013-04-26T10:33:08  <sunu_> ThomasWaldmann: Some comments on http://moinmo.in/TarashishMishra/GSOC-2013/ plz
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  28 2013-04-26T11:14:17  <ThomasWaldmann> sunu: at work currently, will be at home in the evening
  29 2013-04-26T11:27:34  <sunu> ok.
  30 2013-04-26T12:19:22  <ThomasAH> ThomasWaldmann: yes, SAML1 (maybe not completely conforming to standards, I will see next week) for moin 1.9
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  32 2013-04-26T12:49:26  <ThomasWaldmann> ThomasAH: at first glance, looks somehow complicated %)
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  49 2013-04-26T17:36:36  * kolyaflash just posted an application "Moin Network API"
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  51 2013-04-26T17:38:02  <sunumonster> moin :-)
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  60 2013-04-26T20:04:47  <ThomasWaldmann> sunumonster: my change to your application draft is the last edit, so at what exactly shall i look there?
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  68 2013-04-26T21:14:08  <kolyaflash> Hi ThomasWaldmann. May I PM you?
  69 2013-04-26T21:15:31  <ThomasWaldmann> if it is not private, ask here
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  71 2013-04-26T21:16:12  <ThomasWaldmann> (or put it on your application draft wiki page)
  72 2013-04-26T21:17:46  <kolyaflash> No. Thanks for review my proposal (Network API). Just to be clear: of course moin is in python. When I wrote "api.php", I though about my php api sketches.
  73 2013-04-26T21:19:20  <kolyaflash> also have a question. regarding to moin architecture what is the best entry point for api? I totally agree that /api/ is not good and it's a page.
  74 2013-04-26T21:19:43  <ThomasWaldmann> did you use moin2 already?
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  76 2013-04-26T21:20:05  <kolyaflash> um.. I installed it and create a few pages.
  77 2013-04-26T21:20:39  <ThomasWaldmann> ok, how did the url look like when editing?
  78 2013-04-26T21:20:52  <kolyaflash> ?action=edit
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  80 2013-04-26T21:21:41  <ThomasWaldmann> that was moin 1.9, gsoc is about moin2
  81 2013-04-26T21:22:01  <kolyaflash> sorry, one moment
  82 2013-04-26T21:23:59  <kolyaflash> http://127.0.0.1:8080/%2Bmodify/<Page name>?<params>
  83 2013-04-26T21:24:06  <ThomasWaldmann> btw, did that gsoc 2012 project have a bit strange python coding conventions? was wondering about the 2-blanks indentation.
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  85 2013-04-26T21:24:19  <ThomasWaldmann> %2B == +
  86 2013-04-26T21:24:36  <ThomasWaldmann> so now you know how to avoid collisions
  87 2013-04-26T21:24:52  <kolyaflash> yep. thank you!
  88 2013-04-26T21:25:55  <ThomasWaldmann> that %2B used to be + - until some specific flask/werkzeug version when mitsuhiko changed it ...
  89 2013-04-26T21:27:13  <kolyaflash> just thought: since PEP8 allows 2-blanks and 4-blanks it's up to code (if you have many long lines -- smaller ident may be helpful)
  90 2013-04-26T21:27:43  <kolyaflash> of course the whole code should use the same
  91 2013-04-26T21:29:04  <ThomasWaldmann> where is that with the 2 spaces?
  92 2013-04-26T21:30:41  <kolyaflash> in moin?
  93 2013-04-26T21:33:03  <kolyaflash> anyway since framework (flask) has 4, we also need to use 4.
  94 2013-04-26T21:33:08  <ThomasWaldmann> no, in pep8
  95 2013-04-26T21:33:53  * ThomasWaldmann only has seen google using 2 blanks, and iirc noone else
  96 2013-04-26T21:35:42  <kolyaflash> hm. yes, you right: "Use 4 spaces per indentation level.". I could have sworn I read it somewhere.
  97 2013-04-26T21:37:39  <ThomasWaldmann> btw, do you use some ide?
  98 2013-04-26T21:40:28  <kolyaflash> yes. previously Vim and Eclipse and now SublimeText. Also have auto pep8 in them.
  99 2013-04-26T21:41:53  <ThomasWaldmann> good :) tried pycharm?
 100 2013-04-26T21:42:40  <kolyaflash> only installed and figured out that it works not good in my ubuntu :(
 101 2013-04-26T21:43:07  <kolyaflash> (by default)
 102 2013-04-26T21:43:37  <kolyaflash> friend said pycharm has many killer-features
 103 2013-04-26T21:43:39  <ThomasWaldmann> hmm, have it working on u1204
 104 2013-04-26T21:43:55  <ThomasWaldmann> did you install sun/oracle java?
 105 2013-04-26T21:44:32  <kolyaflash> same 1204. Thats it! I have openjdk and thats a problem :)
 106 2013-04-26T21:45:05  <ThomasWaldmann> there is a repo with current builds on s/o jre
 107 2013-04-26T21:45:13  <ThomasWaldmann> works flawlessly with that
 108 2013-04-26T21:45:28  <ThomasWaldmann> (and we have a project license for all devs working on moin!)
 109 2013-04-26T21:45:44  <kolyaflash> cool! wanna try it later
 110 2013-04-26T21:48:51  <ThomasWaldmann> deb http://www.duinsoft.nl/pkg debs all
 111 2013-04-26T21:53:12  <kolyaflash> Can I trust the source?
 112 2013-04-26T21:53:36  <ThomasWaldmann> who knows :)
 113 2013-04-26T21:53:57  <ThomasWaldmann> can you trust oracle? :D
 114 2013-04-26T21:54:04  <kolyaflash> hehe :)
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 117 2013-04-26T22:29:22  * dreimark has no problems with openjdk
 118 2013-04-26T22:37:53  <dreimark> kolyaflash: how do you handle access to acl protected items?
 119 2013-04-26T22:43:10  <kolyaflash> Now I don't know how access control works in moin. Basically as any other access restriction: before give user a response we need to check is he/she allows to get it. E.g. if api allows to edit user's profile we need to be sure it's the same user. And with ACL we check is user id in the list of allowed.
 120 2013-04-26T22:43:19  <kolyaflash> dreimark, hi
 121 2013-04-26T22:44:03  <dreimark> in moin-1 we needed multicall for xmlrpc
 122 2013-04-26T22:44:33  <dreimark> the api you currently describe shows only "simple" requests for public content
 123 2013-04-26T22:44:43  <kolyaflash> I think xmlrpc dies.
 124 2013-04-26T22:44:49  <dreimark> yeah
 125 2013-04-26T22:45:02  <dreimark> it is also not compatible with moin-2
 126 2013-04-26T22:46:14  <kolyaflash> authentication scheme is one of the most sensitive issues.
 127 2013-04-26T22:47:03  <kolyaflash> oAuth route is most used, but I don't think it's a better choice for wiki engine.
 128 2013-04-26T22:47:27  <dreimark> it would be good it works also with std auth of moin itselfs
 129 2013-04-26T22:48:02  <dreimark> https://moin-20.readthedocs.org/en/latest/intro/features.html?highlight=acl#authentication
 130 2013-04-26T22:49:28  <kolyaflash> wow! thats great moin has OpenID
 131 2013-04-26T22:49:40  <dreimark> moin1 had it too
 132 2013-04-26T22:49:50  <kolyaflash> thank you this is very helpful
 133 2013-04-26T22:51:00  <dreimark> http://wiki.python.org/moin/FrontPage?action=login
 134 2013-04-26T22:51:41  <dreimark> someone has done a different macro on the wiki but the basics without the images are builtin
 135 2013-04-26T22:52:02  <kolyaflash> not sure it works for API
 136 2013-04-26T22:52:28  <dreimark> needs some research first which kind of auth can be done
 137 2013-04-26T22:53:04  <kolyaflash> thats right
 138 2013-04-26T22:53:05  <dreimark> I don't like a solution by giving an api key
 139 2013-04-26T22:53:27  <dreimark> this is bad for multi user with different priviledges
 140 2013-04-26T23:01:29  <dreimark> gn
 141 2013-04-26T23:23:59  <kolyaflash> dreimark, gn
 142 2013-04-26T23:24:48  <kolyaflash> ThomasWaldmann, can you please change my homepage ACL to public? (http://moinmo.in/NikolayBaluk)